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  • Worship Team Social Drinkers

    How do you handle having worship team members who are social drinkers. Not drunkards, but drinkers?
    JD

  • #2
    JD...you're probably going to get the spectrum of responses here, depending on several factors.

    I personally do not believe that drinking alcohol, in moderation, is necessarily a sinful thing, although it can be. I do not believe that a Christian drinking alcohol is necessarily a stumbling block to others, although it can be. Having said that, I do not drink, nor do I like being around people who are drinking...but, I do not think poorly of a believer who does drink socially, nor do I share my personal preferences about alcohol with other believers (unless they ask).

    If I had worship team members who were social drinkers (and I may have some), I wouldn't much care unless their drinking was causing an issue in their personal or corporate life.

    Nate
    Practical Worship

    Please Pray For My Wife

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    • #3
      I think that this is more a question for your pastor, or, your elders. We could debate all day whether it is Godly or not, but in the real world it basically comes down to what your church leadership states is their position.

      At our church we really aren't concerned with social drinking, but, we do ask people to be conscious of those who are around them and try not to be a stumbling block. Of course that is highly subjective, but in general we believe that God through the Holy Spirit gives each believer a measure of wisdom and common sense and we just ask that our team members use it. If they, or those that they associate with, are going too far then we will address the situation. We don't have a blanket policy because some people are at different places in their personal use of their freedom and we don't feel it is prudent to punish everyone for some people's excessiveness.

      I am sure that someone will jump on here soon and tell you to kick them off the team and that it is impossible to drink socially and be a good witness, but I disagree. The fact of the matter is that we have all been given many freedoms by God and we can choose to enjoy life responsibly, or live in excess and sin. Hard lines are usually drawn by denominations and people who want to easily distinguish good behavior from bad. I understand the intent, but we just try to teach people to live in moderation.

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      • #4
        I say "cheers!" and buy the next round


        America is the only country in the world where christians are legalistic about that...
        8-)



        what? me worry?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by yod1948 View Post
          I say "cheers!" and buy the next round


          America is the only country in the world where christians are legalistic about that...
          Actually, that's not true at all.


          Paul said that all things were permissable, but not all things were beneficial.

          I personally choose not to drink anymore. I do not judge those who do drink socially. The "official" line at our church is not to - not because it's sinful, but because it's not edifying. In our congregation, there are quite a few folks who have struggled with one bondage or another - be it drinking, drugs, tobacco, pornography... So witness is important to us. Paul also says we should not be a stumbling block to our brothers. So yes, maybe there is no prohibition against alcohol, but is it showing love to your brother, or is it being selfish? Do you need it? These are questions that each person should seek prayerful answers to.

          As for leadership, there needs to be a higher standard. If it became apparent that someone on the team was drinking publicly, that would be addressed with conversation. But it would not be allowed to continue, not for the sake of that person, but for the good of the rest.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by yod1948 View Post
            I say "cheers!" and buy the next round


            America is the only country in the world where christians are legalistic about that...
            Can you back that up with some factual evidence, because my personal experience says that's a load of crap.

            Nate
            Practical Worship

            Please Pray For My Wife

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            • #7
              How would I handle a member of the worship team consuming alcohol? Well, more than one does, and it has not had any effect on the team at all.
              I personally enjoy a glass of wine from time to time, and I find no harm in it.
              I practice, and teach, moderation. The only problem I could see arising is from overindulgence, and in that situation the issue would need to be addressed.

              I think that it is significant that Christ's first miracle concerned alcohol, and the consumption of it. I think His actions on that day, and every action He undertook while on Earth, had/have meaning on more than one level.

              Smitty
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              • #8
                I think if you approach social drinking as some sort of problem, you also have to approach social eating as well.

                A drink here and there isn't necessarily sinful behavior, but overindulgence at a keg party probably is.

                A donut here and there isn't necessarily sinful behavior, but stuffing yourself to the gills at an all you can eat buffet every sunday might be.
                Associate Director of Worship & Media at St. Simons Community Church .He is also the content curator and editor here at The Worship Community.

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                • #9
                  Pocketing your Freedom (meat offered to idols)

                  The meat offered to idols principles come into play here. This Pauline text is actually a bit complex yet in ways simple. I did weeks of study on the historical background and we covered it in a sermon series

                  http://www.northwoodchurch.org/v2/se...core/core4.htm

                  Drinking falls under these principles. You could share this mp3 with your team and then have a discussion about how it relates to drinking.

                  Basically: Sometimes we need to pocket our freedoms in order to to benefit the Kingdom. (Is that an absolute pocketed freedom or a contextual pocketing depending on the circumstance-- ex. drinking a glass of wine at home vs. public, etc,???)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by milepost13 View Post
                    Can you back that up with some factual evidence, because my personal experience says that's a load of crap.

                    Nate


                    you can call me a liar if you wish. Not good form....but I can take an insult.



                    I've been in foreign missions since 1991, mostly Europe and Asia. I am connected to missionaries on every continent. How many countries of the world have you been in?

                    Almost without exception the first question christians will ask me at dinner is "are you like all the religious people from America?"

                    There is absolutely no prohibition in the bible against drinking. The issue is drunkeness. If you drink to get drunk, then you should not drink at all.


                    If, on the other hand, you are conforming to local customs and are able to practise self-control then it isn't a problem.


                    To say otherwise is legalism in it's most judgementally critical form.
                    Last edited by yod1948; 12-09-2008, 05:32 PM.
                    8-)



                    what? me worry?

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                    • #11
                      Yod, a lot of that is cultural.

                      My own mission experience is in Central America. Down there, alcoholism is a huge issue. As a result, most evangelical and mainline churches take a very hard line on alcohol consumption.

                      So, I don't think anyone was calling you a liar or trying to insult you. You just made a broad statement that was incorrect.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mikeymo1741 View Post
                        Yod, a lot of that is cultural.

                        My own mission experience is in Central America. Down there, alcoholism is a huge issue. As a result, most evangelical and mainline churches take a very hard line on alcohol consumption.

                        So, I don't think anyone was calling you a liar or trying to insult you. You just made a broad statement that was incorrect.


                        Then it must be a denominational issue because in all my years, I've not run up against this legalistic attitude overseas even once. Admittedly, I haven't been to South America yet.


                        heck, I've had Pastors serve us beer after a worship concert in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Ireland and England. I've had pastors serve wine in Hungary, Holland, Romania and Belgium.

                        No one got drunk in any of those places but we would have been rude to judge them for their societal norms.

                        Do we realize that Yeshua drank at least 4 tall glasses of wine every Passover of his life?
                        8-)



                        what? me worry?

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                        • #13
                          heck, I've had Pastors serve us beer after a worship concert in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Ireland and England. I've had pastors serve wine in Hungary, Holland, Romania and Belgium.
                          The common denominator there is that those countries are all in Europe!
                          Associate Director of Worship & Media at St. Simons Community Church .He is also the content curator and editor here at The Worship Community.

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                          • #14
                            Do we realize that Yeshua drank at least 4 tall glasses of wine every Passover of his life?
                            Do we realize that the word oinos in the New Testament and yeyin in the Old Testament are used to refer to either fermented or unfermented grape juice? Historically, it was typical for Jews of that era to drink unfermented (non-alcoholic) juice with meals. So it is likely (but hardly proven either way) that this is what Jesus consumed. In historical context (see Pliney) "good" wine (as in that made at Cana) was wine that did not get people intoxicated. In fact, John used the word kalos to describe the wine, which indicates moral excellence, not quality. Also, fermented wine was never placed in wineskins, even "new" ones, because they could not withstand the pressure of the expanding gasses. The "wine" in wineskins was unfermented must wine.

                            The issue of alcohol is not a sin issue (except drunkeness) as much as a self-sacrificing agape issue.

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                            • #15
                              we actually had a problem with two of our team. one was the best lead guitar player i ever played with. He and the bass player got into bad habits of bar hopping and I couldnt accept it. They were over doing it and not leading by a good example. I considered it being hypocritical. I mean they show up on sunday. do their thing. then run to the golf course. get loaded then go to the restaurant, drink, then the bar on friday and saturday nights. TOO MUCH is not good. We are called to lead, so shouldn't we lead by good examples and not over indulge.
                              They both are not on the team anymore. They harbor hard feelings toward me but oh well. Me and my big mouth!
                              I didn't mean to be inaccurate, but I wasn't trying to be precise.

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