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    <img src="http://www.theworshipcommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/different30-290x289.jpg" border="0" alt="" />God calls us to be set apart.<blockquote>2 Timothy 2:21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from what is dishonorable, he will be a vessel for honorable use, set apart as holy, useful to the master of the house, ready for every good work.

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  • #2
    looking the same

    That's a hard question to answer! Because it's more of an individual thing, really. Sure, there are some BIG things you probably shouldn't do as a christian ... but as far as what you're asking goes - I think it depends.

    My best guess is this - your individual life should look changed to others. The crowd you hang with should notice a difference.

    Does that mean no more social drinking? No - Jesus did that. But should you get sloshed? No - clearly a no-no in the Bible.

    Foul language? Probably not ... but it goes much deeper than that - that whole let your yes be yes and your no be no thing.

    So that's my stab at it, anyway!

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    • #3
      You answered your own question. Jesus did NOT change who he was, unlike Satan who posed as a being from within the garden to sway Eve. Satan didn't show himself, he deceived, to gain entrance to their circle. Be the you God has made, the light reflecting you that makes you, you. If you act any other way, one has to ask, "which you is the real you?"

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      • #4
        Nicely done, MITS!

        Smitty
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        • #5
          An interesting point you make was that Jesus was able to connect with the people because he was genuine, and non-pharsiacal.

          A question for ourselves, are we being pharasitical (ie like the Pharasies, sorry for the spelling) by doing things because we think we "should" do those things and traditions.

          Just throwing a stone among the pidgeons.

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          • #6
            Don't get comfortable

            I hear people take the stance that Jesus hung with sinners to justify where and with who they hang quite often. There is some validity to it but Jesus didn't sit with the tax collectors and rip people off, lay with the prostitutes or take part in the temple with the money changers. He ate with them and taught them and they turned from their sins.

            So, in short the post answered the question with the opening "God called us to be set apart". We should not look like the world. I agree I should "Be the me God has made" but there is still A LOT in me that God did not intend to be in me and I'm not going to accept it as "just me". People fall in that trap with all kinds of stuff. From out of control temper all the way to addiction. We all need to be careful we are not using our "beliefs" to make us feel comfortable about thing God never intended us to be comfortable about.

            I won't even touch the social drinking thing because I don't have the time right now.

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            • #7
              I'm glad Jesus didn't mind stepping out of eternity and into the frail and dirty robe of humanity to become one of us. I'm glad He "looked the same" as us. I'm glad that Jesus as a man was God with us.

              The very fact that He came to be one of us, makes me very cautious about setting up some sort of religious box that I have to stay in in the name of being "set apart."

              The bottom line is that we are called to be set apart. And that set apart-ness is because of who HE is in us, not who we claim we are, or try to be in our own efforts.

              I get what the author is saying, but I for one WANT to look the same as those I'm trying to reach, because God Himself did so.
              Associate Director of Worship & Media at St. Simons Community Church .He is also the content curator and editor here at The Worship Community.

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              • #8
                I get what the author is saying, but I for one WANT to look the same as those I'm trying to reach, because God Himself did so.
                Maybe it's OK to look the same, but should we really BE the same?

                Yes, God says to "come as you are." Does that mean we stay that way? Not a jab, just a question.

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                • #9
                  My point is that we ARE the same. It's JESUS in us that makes the difference. I'm not saying that we should continue living sinful lives. I'm not saying that we should not pursue holiness.

                  What I am saying is that to take the whole "in the world but not of the world" comment and shape it into some sort of legalistic mumbo jumbo that creates a religious box is not being different, it's not being set apart, it's not the answer.

                  Sure, we ARE to be in the world, but not OF the world, but that has nothing to do with appearance, and in my opinion has nothing to do with who you hang out with either. If that were the case, Jesus would be a drunk and a tax collector.

                  We need to be light in darkness. The point of being in the world but not of the world has EVERYTHING to do with being salt and light. Let your light shine before men so that they will see your good works and glorify the Father. This is what I'm talking about.

                  To be the light and salt though I have to be where people are. I have to do, as GOD did, someting that bridges the gap. I have to "be" one of them. I don't mean putting on a mask, or changing who we are, but I mean genuinely walking where they walk and living outside of the four walls of what we call church.

                  The problem with the whole "not looking the same mentality" if taken to the extreme is that it creates dangerous sub-cultures of "Christianity" that lock themselves away inside a building or their house somewhere and they become so intent on not being like the world, that they lose any bit of common ground that they have with people who, when it's all said and done, are the same: human.

                  Be human. Not some fake wannabe superchristian.
                  Associate Director of Worship & Media at St. Simons Community Church .He is also the content curator and editor here at The Worship Community.

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                  • #10
                    BE Different

                    Just for clarification I said "We should not look like the world" I meant look figuratively. I guess in some cases literally but I meant we should BE different.

                    The point I was trying to make is we can't use "Being In" and a license to "Be Of"

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                    • #11
                      I suppose it's really quite simple ... (well, it's never really that simple) .... if trying to be "relevant" or to "look" or "sound" like them ... it causes us to sin ... we've missed it. Big Time.

                      So, it becomes an issue of "is this sin".
                      Then, it becomes "all things are OK, but not all things are profitable".

                      Truth is, only the Holy Spirit can give us the insight on the gray areas ... and if the Word of God is clear on something - take it for what it says!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by twc_admin View Post
                        Truth is, only the Holy Spirit can give us the insight on the gray areas ... and if the Word of God is clear on something - take it for what it says!

                        I like this.

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                        • #13
                          Awesome discussion guys...love it!

                          It's funny - I have always felt personally called to abstain from some things that other genuine believers are fine with, and I am totally not judgmental of the gray areas they feel free to enjoy!

                          What is hilarious are the characters I fill my house with - no lie - people that MOST Christ followers would avoid like the plague! For some reason I LOVE the unusual/artistic/creative/misunderstood people of this world and communicate quite freely with them! Isn't that weird?

                          I say this to make the point that - although I feel, for whatever reason, that God has required me to not partake in some things - it has not kept me from being among those who do!

                          So I agree - it's not about appearance - there I think, is a personal holiness that God calls each of us to separately. Some things as Fred says are clearly right or wrong and to be avoided, but others just don't profit us in anyway to participate in...and if there is a risk to our testimony - then I would just choose not to take a chance...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by russhutto View Post
                            The problem with the whole "not looking the same mentality" if taken to the extreme is that it creates dangerous sub-cultures of "Christianity" that lock themselves away inside a building or their house somewhere and they become so intent on not being like the world, that they lose any bit of common ground that they have with people who, when it's all said and done, are the same: human.

                            Be human. Not some fake wannabe superchristian.
                            This is good stuff right here.

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                            • #15
                              There is a difference between being a clone and being relevant.


                              We should be the head and not the tail. We, of all people, should be the most original and innovative people on earth. Setting trends instead of following them...but that would require more work and human nature follows the path of least resistance.

                              We live in a world full of radical messages being multiplied through media of TV, movies, music, newspapers, internet, etc.

                              We preach the most radical of all messages; death on a cross. That will never be popular, but until we are resurrected to new and holy life it also won't be believable.

                              In summary, our outward appearance might help some people trust that we understand where they are coming from, but that will make no impact unless the individual carrying the witness is not a friend of the world.


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