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05-01-2009, 03:31 PM
A new book "No Flesh Stands in the Holy of Holies" by Worship Leader/Evangelist Jacob Toback Worshipers of the living God Ministries
WOTLG Ministries (http://www.wotlgministries.org)
Call Evangelist / Worship Leader Jacob Toback 516-840-0800
See the spiritual key that will usher in the Glory of God in your personal life and in the church. This Hebrew keyword (Strong's Concordance (Hebrew & Caldee Dictionary, word 7812), holds the secret to releasing God's presence like a river flowing in you, your ministry and your church. God is not a respecter of persons. For true worshipers seeking God with all you heart, this is revelation knowledge for an access into The Holy of Holies. Comes out of Psalms 29:1-2 and psalms 96: 6-9
Psalms 29 in the Tenach says to render unto Heshem the honor due his name, bowing to Hashem in the beauty of holiness.
Psalms 96 talk also of rendering to Hashem also. but in the reference of part of the honoring being laying prostrate before Him.
One of the keys is to add to your hearts position of worship to the physical postion of your body which is what Psalms 29 and 96 are referring to. To often we are not allowing this to occur in church due to many reasons. To many to get into. When we enter into royalty how do we enter? DO we enter in with a hand shake or with our eyes and head bowed in reverence to the position the person holds. Now keep in mind I am not talking praise, I am talking worship only. This is only a little very short thought provoking devotional that is in the book.
You will be amazed to see spiritual keys from the properly defined Hebrew word that has not been accurately translated from original Hebrew in King James version. This one key word (Hebrew & Caldee Dictionary, word 7812) holds a secret to enable us to approach God acceptably in throne room worship.
"No Flesh Stands in the Holy of Holies" by Worship Leader/Evangelist Jacob Toback http://www.wotlgministries.org/store.html
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I want to let people know this post has been changed to better qualify the original post to which much discussion has transpired.
05-01-2009, 06:31 PM
I never pay any attention to any "ministry" that claims to hold any "secrets" to anything having to do with God. Why do I have to buy the book, go to your website, etc. to learn this secret...why can't you just tell me here and now so that I can be enlightened and my worship be made more holy?
05-01-2009, 10:21 PM
Hello, Thank you for writing to us. Keep in mind this particular thread is about books, cds etc.... We want you to know we are sincerely not selling revelation, but cover the cost of the book. If you are looking ot enhance your worship relationship with our Lord then go check out our web site. We have live services Tuesdays and Sunday. We are going to have archived services for you view the teachings and worship services. Our plans are to provide people with resources to understanding more about true throne room worship.
Jacob is a Messianic Jew and this revelation comes from a Judaism perspective which is a christian background, so it could arm you with greater revelation. Keep in mind people perish or are destroyed for a lack of knowledge.
God also promises us what so ever a man soweth he shall also reap. So if you sow by buying the material of those who spend their financial resource into by uting together a book, a cd. a song book, a dvd, etc... you will reap from revelation, deliverance etc...
05-06-2009, 02:53 PM
Sorry Jeff, I'm with Nate on this one...Grace was and is a free gift, remember?
so that no man would boast. I think if God has any secrets He wants me to know...He'll tell me.
05-06-2009, 04:16 PM
Whats amazes me is this particular post was on a post to help promote books cd and the like, not to receive your criticism on whether you want to buy a book to help you with your walk with God. Just as you stated Grace is a free gift, but make sure you are stating all the truth to the free gift and that is the gift has to be received and accepted, so does any revelation that comes from God. The gift does also come with a cost. The cost is your life. Let me ask a question to you both. Do you pay for any christian music, books and or news, movies? I thought God would tell you if he wanted you to know... The other thing to consider in your post is that do you know the intent of the Jacobs heart? I think not.... Only God knows the true Jacob. So for any one to try and say they know his heart then you are potentially standing in a place of judgment. Christ is the only judge... Why am I saying this, because as stated in an earlier post we are not trying to sell revelation, but trying to bring this revelation to as many as people as possible through writing the book. His instructions from the Lord is to do what he is doing and to speak against what the Lord has asked Jacob to do is to me being critical and speaking against the Lord.
I think you guys need to rethink comments or at best keep them to yourself.
Be an encourager and not someone that tears someone or something down.
05-06-2009, 05:35 PM
[moderator hat on]
Before this thread goes any deeper, I'd like to encourage ALL parties to be encouragers.
This is in the Books and Resources section so it's fine.
It's also in the reviews section. Anybody that would like to post any negative feedback is free to do so, but would carry more weight if you actually read the book.
True Throne Worship, welcome to the community, your welcome to post here as long as you like, just continue in a spirit of grace, and be careful in the wording of your posts.
I'm trying to be as objective as possible here, but it might be just the wording, but your initial post does come across a little elitist and salesman-esque.
For what it's worth.
[moderator hat off]
05-06-2009, 06:10 PM
I appreciate that you have stepped in. I hate that you can not come to a blog or forum where people want to be negative. What ever happened with just keeping the negative to your self. Not every thing that comes to our minds needs to be expressed. I came to the book, CD etc.. blog to let people know about a great book and web site resource that could help us better understand worship. I was not looking for comments from anyone that would not first read the book. I am a web developer and christian helping that helps ministries bring exposure of their ministries and messages to the wide world web. That is why I picked this facet of this blog nothing more nothing less. If I was looking for comments on it in the manner I received then I would have put something on one of the other blogs.
We might find out that looking through the eyes of a messianic Jew might give us better in site into subjects like worship. A perspective we may have never seen or heard before.. I know that I do not have many chances to talk with a Messianic Jew to often and one that may have a better grasp of what it is to worship God. Think about this scripture when Jesus says "Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Jacob also has another book on Holy Communion that is great. Again what better way of understanding principles that in some ways where better taught to the jew than to most Christians.
Blessings to you
05-06-2009, 06:45 PM
As far as it goes, Jeff, you sounded pretty critical towards comments posted...so I guess we're even.
Thanks Russ, for your input.
05-06-2009, 07:05 PM
I do think there is a difference, but that is ok. Just a small note I did not respond to some ones post before I had chance to checked out what it is that was posted and if I did respond to the post I would not be critical about it.
05-06-2009, 08:52 PM
Thanks for joining TheWorshipCommunity.Com - I'm the founder here, and just caught up on this thread.
I'd like to speak to a few things and hopefully bring closure to this thread and welcome some great conversations in the future.
First, I regret that your first impressions here at TheWorshipCommunity.Com were negative. From your comment, I'm left to assume that you've received similar criticism or negative remarks in other forums or blogs. If you spend much time viewing the content and hundreds of discussions here, you will find an environment that is very friendly and positive for the most part.
In regards to your not desiring comments or responses, you may have misunderstood how the forum operates. It's not a blog (though the homepage content area is based on a blog, ezine format), rather, it's a discussion forum. So most threads that are created will generate discussion.
Lastly, I'd just like to address the original post, and the responses you received. Before doing so, maybe hearing my background will help.
I'm a passionate worshiper, I don't care for labels, but in a label-driven world, I'd call myself a Charismatic/Spirit-Filled person fully embracing the fullness of the Holy Spirit and the sign gifts in today's world. I have a love for the Church, including those from the Jewish background. I'm a friend and fellow worshiper with Sid Roth of Messianic Vision who lives here on our island only a few blocks away. He is perhaps one of the most well-known, established voices in the Messianic Jewish community. I've been honored to have a song my company publishes recorded by Paul Wilbur, another strong voice in the Messianic Jewish circles.
I think both Nate (milepost) and Smitty responded in a bit of a "knee jerk" way - I've been around them enough here to know that they value resources. Neither of them would be against a minister selling a CD, a book, charging registration for a conference, etc. Their response kinda came across that way, but I know that's not really the intent they had ... and I suspect they'd also be in favor of receiving salary from their churches (if indeed they don't already, or if they could). (Guys - I realize I'm speaking for you, so feel free to correct me.)
That being said, I suspect the reaction comes from the verbage in your post. It does come across as a sales pitch with "gimmicky" language. I picked up on that immediately, as did Russ and the others. On top of that, you have not built any relationships here - you registered, and your first and only posts were a promotional advertisement for your friend's book.
We get hit with people all the time who signup here, post their link to try and get people to visit their blog or website, and then troll on to the next forum or blog to repost the same advertisement again and again ... and so we all get a bit sensitive when something looks like that.
I'm not suggesting that is your intent - only giving you a perspective from a person who operates this community. If you've gotten similar, negative responses (as you do suggest) in other blogs, forums, or communities, I'd encourage you to reconsider how you promote your clients/friends.
I too get serious "checks" in my Spirit (the gift of discernment and prophesy are the highest operating gifts for me) when people throw out terms like "we have the secret that nobody else has ever seen". I'm not discounting revelation by any means, but I can assure you that the way your message is worded clearly comes across as gimmicky and with a sense of arrogance.
PLEASE - you have the opportunity to receive that in the spirit of love from which I'm offering that. I pray that you do, and I really, really want to see you hang around and become a regular contributor to the site.
If you'd like to send a copy of the book for us to review, that would be great, too.
I'm hoping and praying that the time I've taken to share my heart will help clarify things, and that your understanding of my background and beliefs will validate what I'm sharing. I have a very strong appreciation for the Jewish people, the culture and insights that God has given them, and especially to those who have recognized Jesus Christ as their Messiah.
For the Kingdom,
Fred - Founder/TheWorshipCommunity.Com
05-06-2009, 08:54 PM
I don't begrudge anyone selling something and you do get a double money back guarantee. I can't read it because I only read dead guys (http://www.worshiptrench.com/?p=529) (except Godology...see the review/cooments on TWC frontpage and a few Piper, McGrath, etc.books).
But someone take one for the team and read it and review it here.
I will give someone a quadruple moneyback guarantee for any resource on http://www,worshiptrench.com that you don't like (4x$0 = $0)...ha!
05-06-2009, 09:05 PM
Aw man, that is sooo wrong!:p
05-06-2009, 11:10 PM
Thank you for responding. I appreciate your comments.
I change the original blog to make it palatable for any who may read it. My purpose was not to offend anyone and certainly did not want to get the response to the original posting. Even though some response is better than no response.. lol! This way we do not get into dismissing something just as they dismissed Jesus in his own land.
I think the big lesson learned here for everyone is that we need to make sure that we pray and ask the Lord how and even if we need to respond to something. We could be entertaining angels and may even come to a place to offending a little one and we know what that will get us. As I stated in an earlier blog I am helping a ministry and a minister bring this understanding to the body, no different in any of the advertisement that ministry and church do every day promoting their churches.
My purpose of posting on blogs and forums is in the hopes to post more about the book and also have people read the book and talk about it. The book cost something to print so it is something that needs to be purchased. Note also I did not put the price on the post and also invited people to call Jacob Direct or email him. That is how passionate he is about this. We also have live service feeds on the site for people to experience it to see if they would like to find out more. We have worship music that they can hear and other available material. We are looking at providing even more material for those who come to the site.
Also so you know I have been on the community site even before joining this time and I believe I have even participated in some of the past forums. It has been a few years ago when I used you as a hosting company. I do understand what blogs and forums are about and I know that people responding would be apart of it, but was not expecting the responses especially when they would not even check it out for them selves. That is what review is asking is it not?
Understand if I could start it over I would, my intent was not to post something that would draw this kind of attention.
Co-laborer in Christ
05-06-2009, 11:14 PM
one last note. My experiences on blogs and forums have been only a few and have never been about the promotion of friends and ministries or the such. It has been usually about a comment on bible conversations and the like....
05-06-2009, 11:36 PM
Fred spoke well for me, and I stand but what I originally said. I'll leave it at that.
05-07-2009, 10:10 AM
05-07-2009, 11:07 AM
Thanks for the response ... I'm glad you've been around a while, and cool to hear from an old "HPP Hosting" customer - what was your website back then?
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